
DORA 2025, the Psychology of Agentic Coding, and Value Stream Management
Daniel Jones joins Google’s Rob Edwards to explore the 2025 DORA report and Rob’s psychology thesis on AI. They discuss how Value Stream Management acts as a force multiplier for AI teams by identifying hidden bottlenecks. Rob details the psychological shift from Coder to Conductor, explaining how agentic workflows demand system-level thinking and metacognition. The conversation also tackles the risks of burnout, the loss of learning by osmosis for juniors, and how AI helps introverts validate ideas.



